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Roger Graef is an award winning writer, filmmaker, broadcaster and criminologist. A pioneer of ‘fly on the wall’ filming, he has filmed extensively inside boardrooms, ministries, the British Communist Party, the UN and the EU. He is best known for his seminal BAFTA winning series, Police, and recent sequel Police 2001. He always achieves an intense and unique inside view, whatever the subject matter.
Roger, can you name a couple of your own personal favourite documentaries of all time?
Yuri Podneik’s 'Hello, Do You Hear Me?' Not only an incredible
achievement, but shown on both ITV and C4 within four weeks. Robert
Flaherty’s 'Nanook of the North'. Marcel Ophuls’ 'Le Chagrin et la Pitié'
('The Sorrow and the Pity')
Who, if anyone, has been influential in your career?
I became a documentary filmmaker because of the power of Leni
Reifenstahl’s 'Triumph of the Will' which, when seen in German at 19,
made me a Nazi briefly, along with all my Harvard classmates. After the
cigarette break the French documentary 'Camps of the Dead' recovered my
sanity - demonstrating the power of film to influence people’s
thinking. Rather than become a lawyer, I decided to make films and
plays instead.
While directing a play at the Royal Court in London, I saw Douglas and
Richard Leiterman’s 'One More River' - made for CBC - a long
observational film shot in the south about civil rights. That faced me
with rednecks as human beings as well as the horror of the civil rights
struggle. It again showed me the power film has to generate empathy for
things we think we know about but don’t.
Given a clean sheet of paper and the right conditions, which piece of work or project would you most like to direct?
I’d like to be a fly on the wall of No10, the Treasury, the White House and the Pentagon during the next few months.
If you were not a director, what would you have done for a living?
I wanted to be a campaigning lawyer like Clarence Darrow, and then be a
judge. But I quickly learned from my great uncle who taught law that
justice and law have nothing to do with each other. I fell into
directing by chance because I was rejected by the Harvard choir and
accepted by the Dramatic Society. At my first production as a director
I watched the audience pay the kind of attention that I thought could
generate empathy for the context of justice - i.e. social justice.
Recently I woke up one morning and realised I have ended up influencing
the legal system after all. Quite gratifying actually.
What was the most difficult situation that you had to face and how did you deal with it?
We documentary makers rely on mutual trust. When it is broken we are
left dangling. At the end of several months of shooting inside
Occidental Petroleum we needed permission to film the key final meeting
from three others. One was Paul Getty, notoriously camera shy - but he
agreed, reassured by Occidental and our binding guarantees about
accuracy and confidentiality. Allied Chemical did the same for the same
reasons. The smallest partner was the Thomson Organisation, represented
by two ex-hacks who refused to accept we would keep to our agreement
because they couldn’t imagine any journos doing this. The only thing I
could do was to tell the truth at the end of the film about why this
key scene was missing. It was small comfort - and we were criticised in
print by Nancy Banks Smith for admitting it.
Which piece of work do you consider has been your best achievement to date?
The police series had the most impact and still stands up well, thanks
to my collaborators - Charles Stewart and Thomas Schwalm. The rape film
helped to change police treatment of rape victims. But my favourite is
'Diplomacy' - in the first verité series 'The Space Between Words' for BBC
in the seventies. It is all about one word. It is funny, truthful,
revealing and gripping about a subject that sounds dull and is anything
but. I wish they would repeat it.
Which actor or actress would you most like to work with?
Miranda Richardson. In drama at the Actors’ Studio in New York I worked
briefly with Kim Stanley, an underrated but brilliant actress. Her
first reading was so brilliant I was lost for words. Miranda reminds me
of her enormous talent.
Name your favourite piece of music and why?
Bach’s 'St. Matthew Passion'. I have heard this so often and it never
pales. It goes deeper and deeper, and higher and higher. The drama is
always compelling, with the chorus reflecting both sides of human
nature. I think Spengler said it was the climax of Western
civilisation. On this at least he was right.
What type of genre would you like most to direct?
I have worked in opera, comedy, drama on stage and television and
different styles of documentary. I loved studio drama and miss its
disappearance.
Name three directors that you most admire?
Dead: Yilmaz Güney (who directed 'Yol', my favourite fiction film).
Alive: Peter Brook, Robert Le Page, Simon McBurney on stage, Angus
McQueen and Adam Curtis in television - all break the boundaries of
what we assume is possible.
Can you tell us what your next project is?
The most ambitious is a two-hour obdoc tracking the search for the
malaria vaccine over 3 years for BBC and PBS. I directed the first
year, and now Kevin Hull is directing in Africa. It relies on the trust
of scientists, Gambian villagers, drug companies and the US military -
a major juggling act. Luckily we are busier than ever - still doing
things I believe in. So -- ONWARDS AND UPWARDS.

